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"bullshit"
This recent revert has the edit summary: "that's bullshit - they all won the confidence of the party, the only worse result is to lose that confidence". I'm not sure that's necessarily correct. Perhaps "result" is not the best word, as it can mean either the outcome or the balance of votes. Perhaps the text should read: "The proportion of those in support was less than for his predecessors, Theresa May and Margaret Thatcher, when they faced a similar vote.[1]
Martinevans123 (talk) 14:30, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
- Just because press commentators make a (slightly dubious, or at least debatable) claim does not necessarily mean it's sufficiently significant to be mentioned in this article. Ghmyrtle (talk) 14:37, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
- Those voting figures are simple facts, aren't they? Any dubious claim about their possible significance is a separate question. Martinevans123 (talk) 14:43, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
- The simple voting figures are true, but saying that they are "worse than" the figures for May and Thatcher, in quite different circumstances in different times, is irrelevant commentary in this article - which, let's try to remember, is a biography of Johnson. Ghmyrtle (talk) 14:46, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
- My proposed wording is "
The proportion of those in support was less than for his predecessors...
" That's a fact, isn't it. Many secondary sources have made this point, and wholly in connection with Johnson himself. Even William Hague has commented on it: "The former Conservative leader said the prime minister experienced a “greater level of rejection” than any of his predecessors had “endured and survived”, including Theresa May in 2018." Martinevans123 (talk) 15:00, 7 June 2022 (UTC)- If you must... I wouldn't. Ghmyrtle (talk) 15:14, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
- The material removed was cited to a reliable source, and there are more reliable sources documenting it. As you know, I think Boris Johnson is a complete and utter (Redacted) so I'm not going to edit the article. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 15:15, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
- You should stick to the Grand Old Duke, he's only a "sweaty nonce". Martinevans123 (talk) 15:18, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
- It's covered more fully elsewhere. My point is it's not "bullshit". Martinevans123 (talk) 15:20, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
- I'm sure that if DeFacto thought that his words and actions fell within the Editorial Code, that's all that matters, isn't it? Ghmyrtle (talk) 15:25, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
- I think article content matters too. Martinevans123 (talk) 15:42, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
- I'm sure that if DeFacto thought that his words and actions fell within the Editorial Code, that's all that matters, isn't it? Ghmyrtle (talk) 15:25, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
- The material removed was cited to a reliable source, and there are more reliable sources documenting it. As you know, I think Boris Johnson is a complete and utter (Redacted) so I'm not going to edit the article. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 15:15, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
- If you must... I wouldn't. Ghmyrtle (talk) 15:14, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
- My proposed wording is "
- The simple voting figures are true, but saying that they are "worse than" the figures for May and Thatcher, in quite different circumstances in different times, is irrelevant commentary in this article - which, let's try to remember, is a biography of Johnson. Ghmyrtle (talk) 14:46, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
- Those voting figures are simple facts, aren't they? Any dubious claim about their possible significance is a separate question. Martinevans123 (talk) 14:43, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
References
- ^ "Boris Johnson wins no-confidence vote despite unexpectedly large rebellion". the Guardian. 2022-06-06. Retrieved 2022-06-07.
I agree, that a higher proportion of Tory MP's voted against Johnson than voted against Theresa May is relevsnt and should be in the article. Proxima Centauri (talk) 12:12, 1 July 2022 (UTC)
- +1, it's cited to RS news coverage of the vote. I can see how language such as "worse" could be seen as implying (our) editorial judgement, however, stating that he received a lower proportion of support seems relevant given that RS have reported it. Jr8825 • Talk 13:59, 1 July 2022 (UTC)
- +1. Agree with Jr8825. Martinevans123 (talk) 14:03, 1 July 2022 (UTC)
Semi-protected edit request on 22 June 2022
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There is no part of this page about Boris Johnson's Prime Minister's Questions (PMQs). I'd like to do a summary of them, which I may change every time a new PMQs occurs. This will not take up very much space - I will be concise Pilubeta (talk) 13:29, 22 June 2022 (UTC)
- As PMQs is a weekly event, I suspect that might take up a great deal of space. I don't think any other article for a UK Prime Minister has that level of detail? Martinevans123 (talk) 13:33, 22 June 2022 (UTC)
Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 13:40, 22 June 2022 (UTC)
Sex scandals
Now carefully tidied away here with the edit summary "a) this isn't related to the reception of Johnson whatsoever, b) it's pretty tangential to him personally - better included in Premiership_of_Boris_Johnson
". It already appears at Premiership of Boris Johnson. Is everyone agreed that it does not belong here? It's very clear from some of the sources that these allegations, or at least the latest of them, have prompted direct criticism of Johnson. Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:43, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
- I agree with you Martin.
Gareth Griffith-Jones (talk) (contribs) 13:35, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
- (edit conflict)I'm by no means against mentioning it somewhere but it was definitely out of place in Reception and our coverage here should concentrate on what Johnson himself has or has not done. Please drop the "carefully tidied away" attitude though - some of us are better at leaving our POV at the door. SmartSE (talk) 13:45, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
- What he has or has not done? Like appointing Pincher twice? It was carefully tided away, without a trace. Very efficient. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:48, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
- (edit conflict)I'm by no means against mentioning it somewhere but it was definitely out of place in Reception and our coverage here should concentrate on what Johnson himself has or has not done. Please drop the "carefully tidied away" attitude though - some of us are better at leaving our POV at the door. SmartSE (talk) 13:45, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
- Yes, I agree too that it does not belong here. It is not related to Johnson. -- DeFacto (talk). 13:42, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
- I see. So headlines and opinion pieces that use the name "Boris Johnson" (the guy who appointed Pincher, twice) are not about him at all. It's all just an unfortunate coincidence? Martinevans123 (talk) 13:45, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
The Pincher scandal currently appears once, as the very last item in the topic box. Is that really appropriate? And there's no mention at all in the sub-section on Lying, even though ostensibly that's the reason that at least nine of his ministers have resigned? Martinevans123 (talk) 10:53, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
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Link to an explanation of the word 'matriculated'
Change:
Matriculating at the university in late 1983
To:
Matriculating at the university in late 1983 Todegal (talk) 14:44, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
Done. Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 14:48, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
Semi-protected edit request on 7 July 2022
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It states he is a current prime minister but he resigned 10 hours ago 86.177.10.35 (talk) 09:03, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. MadGuy7023 (talk) 09:04, 7 July 2022 (UTC)- He has to stay as Prime Minister until a new Tory Party leader is elected. Martinevans123 (talk) 09:13, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
- ... or if the party agrees someone else as interim PM. Ghmyrtle (talk) 09:25, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
- And the chance of that happening is? All of them have resigned over the past few days! MadGuy7023 (talk) 09:26, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
- Not all of them - the likeliest option is that they would have Raab as interim PM. Ghmyrtle (talk) 11:23, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
- And the chance of that happening is? All of them have resigned over the past few days! MadGuy7023 (talk) 09:26, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
Resigned?
2022 United Kingdom government crisis says he has resigned, but this article says he hasn't. Jack Upland (talk) 09:50, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
- Note he hasn't resigned, he announced that he will resign. As of now he is still the prime minister. https://www.vox.com/2022/7/7/23198063/boris-johnson-prime-minister-resigns 69.113.236.26 (talk) 14:25, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
- What I've heard seems like that he's resigned Leader of the Conservative Party, but still keep his Prime Minister seat until September, are there any opposite informations?
Moreover, I guess that we should temporarily convert Johnson's avatars at articles of the remain 2022 summits to File:Royal_Coat_of_Arms_of_the_United_Kingdom.svg, e.g. at 2022 G20 Bali summit? --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 10:38, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
- Hopefully the 1922 Committee will try and get his avatars to resign too... Martinevans123 (talk) 11:10, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
Largest number of resignations in a Premiership?
The lede already notes that the number of ministerial resignations was the largest in a 24-hour period, but I've heard comments that it's also the most for a single Prime Minister for their whole term of office. Is this supported by sources? — Sasuke Sarutobi (push to talk) 12:19, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
Semi-protected edit request on 7 July 2022 (2)
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I wish to edit the information about Boris Johnson following his resignation as Prime Minister of the UK. 173.225.149.163 (talk) 13:27, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
- Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. MadGuy7023 (talk) 13:27, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
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I'd like to change 'Prime Minister of the United Kingdom' underneath the portrait to 'Conservative Member of Parliament' or 'E-Prime Minister of the United Kingdom'. RealTfA (talk) 15:50, 7 July 2022 (UTC)